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		<title>Comment on The Knowl Post by Barry Cipra</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-knowl-post#comment-3962</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Cipra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much like what I've seen of knowls.  I like the way they open and close without a jarring dislocation of the text (or whatever) that links to them.

One thing I noticed, which may have to do with the "file-system clutter" you referred to:  When I read breadbox's comment, I didn't know where the excerpt he quoted came from, so I had my browser search for it, but couldn't find it because the quote is in a knowl rather than the text.  Fortunately I chose "Talmud" to search on rather than, say "exegesis," so the search took me to the one paragraph with that keyword, and I guessed the quote was in one of the knowls there, so it wasn't that hard to find.  But it would be nice if there were something that facilitated this sort of search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much like what I&#8217;ve seen of knowls.  I like the way they open and close without a jarring dislocation of the text (or whatever) that links to them.</p>
<p>One thing I noticed, which may have to do with the &#8220;file-system clutter&#8221; you referred to:  When I read breadbox&#8217;s comment, I didn&#8217;t know where the excerpt he quoted came from, so I had my browser search for it, but couldn&#8217;t find it because the quote is in a knowl rather than the text.  Fortunately I chose &#8220;Talmud&#8221; to search on rather than, say &#8220;exegesis,&#8221; so the search took me to the one paragraph with that keyword, and I guessed the quote was in one of the knowls there, so it wasn&#8217;t that hard to find.  But it would be nice if there were something that facilitated this sort of search.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Knowl Post by breadbox</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-knowl-post#comment-3959</link>
		<dc:creator>breadbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For years I've been daydreaming about a project called the &lt;i&gt;Talmud of Science&lt;/i&gt;. We take a dozen or so deep and difficult papers—the kind that everybody knows but nobody reads—and we do the exegesis thing on them, with expert commentary, historical background, marginal glosses, added illustrations, and so on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Charles Petzold did something almost exactly like what you're describing in his book &lt;i&gt;The Annotated Turing&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For years I&#8217;ve been daydreaming about a project called the <i>Talmud of Science</i>. We take a dozen or so deep and difficult papers—the kind that everybody knows but nobody reads—and we do the exegesis thing on them, with expert commentary, historical background, marginal glosses, added illustrations, and so on.</p></blockquote>
<p>Charles Petzold did something almost exactly like what you&#8217;re describing in his book <i>The Annotated Turing</i>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Knowl Post by Tony</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-knowl-post#comment-3958</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right... the same-origin policy is going to get in the way of transclusion as Nelson envisioned it. His version required that the transcluded data come directly from the original source (that would facilitate his payment model, of course, as well as providing automatic updates). 

If you don't need to support outdated browsers, you can get around the cross-domain restriction with HTML5's  postMessage function. That allows (relatively) safe transport of data between cooperating web pages (both sides have to be set up to allow the data transfer, and the receiver can't see anything that the sender doesn't explicitly send). It's supported in recent versions of all the major browsers. There are good examples here: http://davidwalsh.name/window-postmessage and here: http://davidwalsh.name/window-iframe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right&#8230; the same-origin policy is going to get in the way of transclusion as Nelson envisioned it. His version required that the transcluded data come directly from the original source (that would facilitate his payment model, of course, as well as providing automatic updates). </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t need to support outdated browsers, you can get around the cross-domain restriction with HTML5&#8217;s  postMessage function. That allows (relatively) safe transport of data between cooperating web pages (both sides have to be set up to allow the data transfer, and the receiver can&#8217;t see anything that the sender doesn&#8217;t explicitly send). It&#8217;s supported in recent versions of all the major browsers. There are good examples here: <a href="http://davidwalsh.name/window-postmessage" rel="nofollow">http://davidwalsh.name/window-postmessage</a> and here: <a href="http://davidwalsh.name/window-iframe" rel="nofollow">http://davidwalsh.name/window-iframe</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Knowl Post by brian</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-knowl-post#comment-3957</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Markk: If we could all agree on some suitable semantic markup---which would identify a hunk of text as a footnote or an aside or whatever, without saying how the browser ought to display it---then we could all have our own personal preferences (at least if we're all willing to write our own stylesheets). You could see wikinotes and I could see knowls. But it's been 20+ years and we still don't have consensus on the right HTML tag. I may be the only one who cares.

As for *why* I prefer the knowlly solution: To my taste, it's the better compromise between unobtrusiveness (when the note is closed) and frictionless accessibility (when it's open). Anything that involves scrolling the window causes me to lose my place in the main text. Because a "page" on the web can have unlimited length and isn't all within view at the same time, the Wiki notes seem more like endnotes than footnotes. You need to leave a bookmark to find your way back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Markk: If we could all agree on some suitable semantic markup&#8212;which would identify a hunk of text as a footnote or an aside or whatever, without saying how the browser ought to display it&#8212;then we could all have our own personal preferences (at least if we&#8217;re all willing to write our own stylesheets). You could see wikinotes and I could see knowls. But it&#8217;s been 20+ years and we still don&#8217;t have consensus on the right HTML tag. I may be the only one who cares.</p>
<p>As for *why* I prefer the knowlly solution: To my taste, it&#8217;s the better compromise between unobtrusiveness (when the note is closed) and frictionless accessibility (when it&#8217;s open). Anything that involves scrolling the window causes me to lose my place in the main text. Because a &#8220;page&#8221; on the web can have unlimited length and isn&#8217;t all within view at the same time, the Wiki notes seem more like endnotes than footnotes. You need to leave a bookmark to find your way back.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Knowl Post by brian</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-knowl-post#comment-3956</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bbot: Good point! 

To my surprise, though, I find that the knowls do work, after a fashion, in my newsreader (NetNewsWire 3.3). They lose their styling, but the Javascript works, sliding the text open and closed at the appropriate spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bbot: Good point! </p>
<p>To my surprise, though, I find that the knowls do work, after a fashion, in my newsreader (NetNewsWire 3.3). They lose their styling, but the Javascript works, sliding the text open and closed at the appropriate spot.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Knowl Post by Markk</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-knowl-post#comment-3955</link>
		<dc:creator>Markk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm having a hard time seeing why Wiki footnotes don't meet what you want.
Is it just the popup right below there or ? Reading this post I like the Wiki footnote way better than the knowl for footnoty things. That is my personal preference though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having a hard time seeing why Wiki footnotes don&#8217;t meet what you want.<br />
Is it just the popup right below there or ? Reading this post I like the Wiki footnote way better than the knowl for footnoty things. That is my personal preference though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Knowl Post by bbot</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-knowl-post#comment-3954</link>
		<dc:creator>bbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, of course, knowls don't show up in RSS feeds either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, of course, knowls don&#8217;t show up in RSS feeds either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Right Click by Chris K</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-right-click#comment-3949</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disable javascript for them by default - NYT is pretty bad about breaking out of frames in my feed reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disable javascript for them by default - NYT is pretty bad about breaking out of frames in my feed reader.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Right Click by brian</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-right-click#comment-3948</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the workarounds, only some of which I knew about. 

One of the remarkable features of the Web---perhaps unique among media---is how much power and control the reader retains. The concept was there at the start, 20 years ago, with the idea that the author would mark up structure and semantics, and the reader would determine how it's displayed. That's a division of responsibility that was never possible with printed documents, and it goes against the grain in publishing formats like PDF. How long will it survive in the world of HTML/CSS/JavaScript? I don't know, but I still take offense when an outfit like the Times has the effrontery to think they can fool around with my mouse buttons.

(And by the way, I'm a fan of the Times. Needless to say, there are lots of web sites that do far sleazier things. It's because I respect the Times that I'm most bothered by their misbehavior.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the workarounds, only some of which I knew about. </p>
<p>One of the remarkable features of the Web&#8212;perhaps unique among media&#8212;is how much power and control the reader retains. The concept was there at the start, 20 years ago, with the idea that the author would mark up structure and semantics, and the reader would determine how it&#8217;s displayed. That&#8217;s a division of responsibility that was never possible with printed documents, and it goes against the grain in publishing formats like PDF. How long will it survive in the world of HTML/CSS/JavaScript? I don&#8217;t know, but I still take offense when an outfit like the Times has the effrontery to think they can fool around with my mouse buttons.</p>
<p>(And by the way, I&#8217;m a fan of the Times. Needless to say, there are lots of web sites that do far sleazier things. It&#8217;s because I respect the Times that I&#8217;m most bothered by their misbehavior.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Right Click by John Cowan</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-right-click#comment-3946</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 07:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Windows (but not in IE) you can use Ctrl+left-click or middle-click (if your mouse has a middle button or a wheel) to open in a tab.  But it's unclear where those gestures are being translated: it may be low-level enough that whatever shut down right clicks might have shut them down too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Windows (but not in IE) you can use Ctrl+left-click or middle-click (if your mouse has a middle button or a wheel) to open in a tab.  But it&#8217;s unclear where those gestures are being translated: it may be low-level enough that whatever shut down right clicks might have shut them down too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Right Click by billb</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2012/the-right-click#comment-3945</link>
		<dc:creator>billb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Mac in Firefox, Cmd+Left-click will open in a new tab without need for the context menu. There's a similar incantation for Windows (and for the other browsers). On Linux for sure, and the others, I think, as well, middle clinking the link will, or can be made to, do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Mac in Firefox, Cmd+Left-click will open in a new tab without need for the context menu. There&#8217;s a similar incantation for Windows (and for the other browsers). On Linux for sure, and the others, I think, as well, middle clinking the link will, or can be made to, do the same.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The acceleration of history by Cody</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2011/the-acceleration-of-history#comment-3936</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 19:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometime in high school—after learning about Dark Energy searches from National Geographic and a brief explanation by my physics teacher—knowing Dark Matter helped to hold the place together and Dark Energy seemed to be pulling it apart I thought, "wouldn't it be funny if the two mysteries canceled one another out?"

Joking aside I remain a bit skeptical of the current Standard Cosmology, and very concerned that cosmologists &#38; astrophysicists have overstated the case for DE/DM/Inflation. If any of these mechanisms don't pan out you can bet that opponents of reason—who use every &lt;i&gt;appearance&lt;/i&gt; of revision to discount the validity of science—will have this as further fodder. So I would just like to see modern cosmology all presented a tiny bit more tentatively, as science often should be.

From my perspective the problem with the whole situation is that we haven't &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; verified General Relativity on the galactic and intergalactic scales, which make DM/DE/Inflation seem like ad hoc corrections to keep Big Bang + GR consistent with observation. I'm not yet so convinced the assumption that most matter and energy in the universe is exotic and the behavior of spacetime curvature is uniform across scales is any more reasonable than assuming most of the matter and energy is the same while the behavior of spacetime changes with scale. (Though I suppose the last bit is essentially all dark energy says anyway.) When discussing it with experts I hear arguments about the accuracy of Big Bang nucleosynthesis predictions and the CMB fit—I'll be much more convinced if one of the many searches for dark matter succeeds! (And how many DM searches must fail before it starts to look like aether?)

However, I'm no expert, so I concede that the opinions of those with a greater grasp of the relevant concepts should be valued far more than those (like me) who's understanding is lacking.

On the other hand, occasionally in discussions with expert proponents of Standard Cosmology they'll concede that the alternatives are not yet completely ruled out. It seems we've succeeded in explaining everything within arms length, and without a bigger ruler we're stuck with a degree of mere speculation over which rules extend elsewhere and which ones will need revising. (Or maybe the small scale will save us—perhaps a mature theory of quantum gravity would make sense of it all!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometime in high school—after learning about Dark Energy searches from National Geographic and a brief explanation by my physics teacher—knowing Dark Matter helped to hold the place together and Dark Energy seemed to be pulling it apart I thought, &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t it be funny if the two mysteries canceled one another out?&#8221;</p>
<p>Joking aside I remain a bit skeptical of the current Standard Cosmology, and very concerned that cosmologists &amp; astrophysicists have overstated the case for DE/DM/Inflation. If any of these mechanisms don&#8217;t pan out you can bet that opponents of reason—who use every <i>appearance</i> of revision to discount the validity of science—will have this as further fodder. So I would just like to see modern cosmology all presented a tiny bit more tentatively, as science often should be.</p>
<p>From my perspective the problem with the whole situation is that we haven&#8217;t <i>really</i> verified General Relativity on the galactic and intergalactic scales, which make DM/DE/Inflation seem like ad hoc corrections to keep Big Bang + GR consistent with observation. I&#8217;m not yet so convinced the assumption that most matter and energy in the universe is exotic and the behavior of spacetime curvature is uniform across scales is any more reasonable than assuming most of the matter and energy is the same while the behavior of spacetime changes with scale. (Though I suppose the last bit is essentially all dark energy says anyway.) When discussing it with experts I hear arguments about the accuracy of Big Bang nucleosynthesis predictions and the CMB fit—I&#8217;ll be much more convinced if one of the many searches for dark matter succeeds! (And how many DM searches must fail before it starts to look like aether?)</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m no expert, so I concede that the opinions of those with a greater grasp of the relevant concepts should be valued far more than those (like me) who&#8217;s understanding is lacking.</p>
<p>On the other hand, occasionally in discussions with expert proponents of Standard Cosmology they&#8217;ll concede that the alternatives are not yet completely ruled out. It seems we&#8217;ve succeeded in explaining everything within arms length, and without a bigger ruler we&#8217;re stuck with a degree of mere speculation over which rules extend elsewhere and which ones will need revising. (Or maybe the small scale will save us—perhaps a mature theory of quantum gravity would make sense of it all!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Did the Stars Get Their Points? by S</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2011/how-did-the-stars-get-their-points#comment-3935</link>
		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm actually surprised that you see dimensionless points of light at all. Even since my earliest childhood, I remember seeing a few "spikes". Either my eyesight has always been bad, or when you say "I see some twinkling going on", you're talking of the same thing but just don't think of them as spikes, because they're not persistent and because of what you know from science.

An illuminating experiment would be to get very young children (2 or 3 years old?), who have not been exposed to any cultural depictions of stars, show them the night sky, and ask them to draw what they saw. (Somehow I suspect we'll see spikes. But we should try and see.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually surprised that you see dimensionless points of light at all. Even since my earliest childhood, I remember seeing a few &#8220;spikes&#8221;. Either my eyesight has always been bad, or when you say &#8220;I see some twinkling going on&#8221;, you&#8217;re talking of the same thing but just don&#8217;t think of them as spikes, because they&#8217;re not persistent and because of what you know from science.</p>
<p>An illuminating experiment would be to get very young children (2 or 3 years old?), who have not been exposed to any cultural depictions of stars, show them the night sky, and ask them to draw what they saw. (Somehow I suspect we&#8217;ll see spikes. But we should try and see.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on The acceleration of history by Jim Ward</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2011/the-acceleration-of-history#comment-3926</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could also be the glut of scientific information out there. Today there's a new theory put for forth by a new scientist every year, hard for an educated layman to know if it's worth storing in the old cerebral cortex. In Hubble's time someone had to write a popular book, by then the expert consensus had congealed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could also be the glut of scientific information out there. Today there&#8217;s a new theory put for forth by a new scientist every year, hard for an educated layman to know if it&#8217;s worth storing in the old cerebral cortex. In Hubble&#8217;s time someone had to write a popular book, by then the expert consensus had congealed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Did the Stars Get Their Points? by rms</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2011/how-did-the-stars-get-their-points#comment-3925</link>
		<dc:creator>rms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that the point spread function (psf; essentially the diffraction pattern of a point source by an optical instrument) of the human eye, is star-shaped (it would be an Airy-like function of 'circular' only if our eyes had perfect rotational symmetry around the optical axis)

http://iopscience.iop.org/0963-9659/7/1/002</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the point spread function (psf; essentially the diffraction pattern of a point source by an optical instrument) of the human eye, is star-shaped (it would be an Airy-like function of &#8216;circular&#8217; only if our eyes had perfect rotational symmetry around the optical axis)</p>
<p><a href="http://iopscience.iop.org/0963-9659/7/1/002" rel="nofollow">http://iopscience.iop.org/0963-9659/7/1/002</a></p>
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