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	<title>Comments on: The Oracle of Wolfram</title>
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	<description>An amateur's outlook on computation and mathematics.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Ward</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2181</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could try entering 'Wolfram&#124;Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.'</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Ward</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2180</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can do individual states, with something like 'Florida maximum elevation - minimum elevation'. Haven't figured out how to loop over all the states to get a table.

Florida 344.5 ft
DC 410.1 ft
Delaware 449.5 ft
Louisiana 541.3 ft
Kansas 3363 ft</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can do individual states, with something like &#8216;Florida maximum elevation - minimum elevation&#8217;. Haven&#8217;t figured out how to loop over all the states to get a table.</p>
<p>Florida 344.5 ft<br />
DC 410.1 ft<br />
Delaware 449.5 ft<br />
Louisiana 541.3 ft<br />
Kansas 3363 ft</p>
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		<title>By: Pacha Nambi</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2179</link>
		<dc:creator>Pacha Nambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the potential of Wolfram Alpha but it has a long way to go. The answers I get from it reminds me of my ex-wife!. Sometimes, her answers made sense; other times, I got more confused by her answers and wondered if she really understood my questions in the first place!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the potential of Wolfram Alpha but it has a long way to go. The answers I get from it reminds me of my ex-wife!. Sometimes, her answers made sense; other times, I got more confused by her answers and wondered if she really understood my questions in the first place!.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Williams</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2176</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this well-written critique. I think the most telling response is the one about the english sentence description of a computation.

I use Mathematica and the biggest hurtle to using its awesome power is syntax. I am a programmer and you still have to get your head in the "functional mode" before you can use it in the way it was designed.

Right now I have been working on the "translation" for 2 sentences:

1) give me a list of all of the schools attended by the children of Republican presidents (can be answered with no code and Freebase Parallax), and
2) give me a list of all days in 2009 when the Google stock price declined and it rained in Columbus Ohio (about 40 lines of Mathematica code)

I am nowhere near close to how the "translation" is (or should be) done.

Regards..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this well-written critique. I think the most telling response is the one about the english sentence description of a computation.</p>
<p>I use Mathematica and the biggest hurtle to using its awesome power is syntax. I am a programmer and you still have to get your head in the &#8220;functional mode&#8221; before you can use it in the way it was designed.</p>
<p>Right now I have been working on the &#8220;translation&#8221; for 2 sentences:</p>
<p>1) give me a list of all of the schools attended by the children of Republican presidents (can be answered with no code and Freebase Parallax), and<br />
2) give me a list of all days in 2009 when the Google stock price declined and it rained in Columbus Ohio (about 40 lines of Mathematica code)</p>
<p>I am nowhere near close to how the &#8220;translation&#8221; is (or should be) done.</p>
<p>Regards..</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Ward</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2173</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delaware has the lowest 'us states mean elevation' by far.</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Bigham</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2171</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Bigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're hitting the nail on the head. Like yourself, I've noticed that in many cases, W&#124;A contains the data needed to answer my query, but it isn't able to transform my English query into whatever structure it needs to compute the answer.

If you ask me, this is the area of improvement that is needed the most... and not surprisingly, it is the most difficult problem to solve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re hitting the nail on the head. Like yourself, I&#8217;ve noticed that in many cases, W|A contains the data needed to answer my query, but it isn&#8217;t able to transform my English query into whatever structure it needs to compute the answer.</p>
<p>If you ask me, this is the area of improvement that is needed the most&#8230; and not surprisingly, it is the most difficult problem to solve.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2170</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rory: Good grief, that's it! The cosmos makes a little more sense this morning, now that you've cleared that mystery up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rory: Good grief, that&#8217;s it! The cosmos makes a little more sense this morning, now that you&#8217;ve cleared that mystery up.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2169</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL is the currency symbol for the Albanian Lek...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL is the currency symbol for the Albanian Lek&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2167</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way Wolfram Alpha is developing, it is certain that in due course, it is going to be a revolutionary search engines around. WolfamAlpha is the trailblazer for many other search engines. 

Richard
aafter search</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way Wolfram Alpha is developing, it is certain that in due course, it is going to be a revolutionary search engines around. WolfamAlpha is the trailblazer for many other search engines. </p>
<p>Richard<br />
aafter search</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you enter a name into Alpha (say, "Brian") you get all kinds of interesting statistical and demographic information about the name and its popularity over the years.  Clearly someone at Wolfram put some time into coding that response.  

However, the natural language aspect of Alpha provides no sense of multiple meanings.  I asked for "world population projection" and got a response that treated "world population" as a vector and gave its projection on another vector.  I wish that there was some way to give feedback so that the programmers could focus the same care they put into the name feature onto other types of searches.  Perhaps Alpha should be labeled 'Beta' and every search end with a survey on how close it got to what you were really looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you enter a name into Alpha (say, &#8220;Brian&#8221;) you get all kinds of interesting statistical and demographic information about the name and its popularity over the years.  Clearly someone at Wolfram put some time into coding that response.  </p>
<p>However, the natural language aspect of Alpha provides no sense of multiple meanings.  I asked for &#8220;world population projection&#8221; and got a response that treated &#8220;world population&#8221; as a vector and gave its projection on another vector.  I wish that there was some way to give feedback so that the programmers could focus the same care they put into the name feature onto other types of searches.  Perhaps Alpha should be labeled &#8216;Beta&#8217; and every search end with a survey on how close it got to what you were really looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry (IEOR Tools)</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2165</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry (IEOR Tools)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that WolframAlpha team would benefit greatly by opening up its data and structure to the community a la wikipedia.  I understand they thrive on being a closed system but this type of "community knowledge sharing" should best reside with subject matter experts in the community.  

Perhaps there is an opportunity for a new Wikipedia solution.  Perhaps a Knowledgepedia or Infopedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that WolframAlpha team would benefit greatly by opening up its data and structure to the community a la wikipedia.  I understand they thrive on being a closed system but this type of &#8220;community knowledge sharing&#8221; should best reside with subject matter experts in the community.  </p>
<p>Perhaps there is an opportunity for a new Wikipedia solution.  Perhaps a Knowledgepedia or Infopedia.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2164</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on my experience with natural languages, I can tell that it usually takes several sentences to describe a computation. In your case it might be "Consider all US states. For each state subtract lowest elevation from highest elevation. Find minimum difference." Regrettably, Wolfram doesn't seem to have a notion of sentence yet.

I also feel that in case of Wolfram, natural language is there to stay. It is probably the whole point of it. Fuzziness of expression may be a deliberate goal. I'll try to explain, what I mean.

To store and access huge amounts of data, one has to enforce some structure into it. That is, to split it into topics, categories, sub-categories, etc. Structure, however, is not uniquely defined. There is a multitude of solutions, without a single "right one". So, to some extent, fuzziness is inherent to the problem from outset. As your data set grows, the question of "which piece of data falls under which sub-(sub-sub-)category" becomes increasingly painful and frustrating.

In Wolfram, I think, they deliberately turned away from this approach in favor of a different one, inspired by Web search engine, effectively emulating Web-like structureless data storage. In a search engine there is no such thing as "right" or even "correct" query. There are only queries which (mysteriously) work, and which (mysteriously) fail to do so. Although, in case of Wolfram all is a bit different, since they actually keep all of their data under control. Therefore design of search engine is likely to be very different from common Web variaties.

Natural language may appear to be just vague enough in a setting, where no structure in data is assumed (or, equivalently, all possible structures are assumed simultaneously). On the other hand, I don't see any reason why they should extend with this trend beyond data retrieval. Well, at least Albanian foot-leke (with conversion table to US foot-dollars and foot-euros, based on current market value) are fun. I am not sure if, say, Google can be as half as hilarious.

My understanding is that they haven't yet really come up with a full language. What we see is a very basic "expression evaluation" to debug aforementioned data retrieval capabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on my experience with natural languages, I can tell that it usually takes several sentences to describe a computation. In your case it might be &#8220;Consider all US states. For each state subtract lowest elevation from highest elevation. Find minimum difference.&#8221; Regrettably, Wolfram doesn&#8217;t seem to have a notion of sentence yet.</p>
<p>I also feel that in case of Wolfram, natural language is there to stay. It is probably the whole point of it. Fuzziness of expression may be a deliberate goal. I&#8217;ll try to explain, what I mean.</p>
<p>To store and access huge amounts of data, one has to enforce some structure into it. That is, to split it into topics, categories, sub-categories, etc. Structure, however, is not uniquely defined. There is a multitude of solutions, without a single &#8220;right one&#8221;. So, to some extent, fuzziness is inherent to the problem from outset. As your data set grows, the question of &#8220;which piece of data falls under which sub-(sub-sub-)category&#8221; becomes increasingly painful and frustrating.</p>
<p>In Wolfram, I think, they deliberately turned away from this approach in favor of a different one, inspired by Web search engine, effectively emulating Web-like structureless data storage. In a search engine there is no such thing as &#8220;right&#8221; or even &#8220;correct&#8221; query. There are only queries which (mysteriously) work, and which (mysteriously) fail to do so. Although, in case of Wolfram all is a bit different, since they actually keep all of their data under control. Therefore design of search engine is likely to be very different from common Web variaties.</p>
<p>Natural language may appear to be just vague enough in a setting, where no structure in data is assumed (or, equivalently, all possible structures are assumed simultaneously). On the other hand, I don&#8217;t see any reason why they should extend with this trend beyond data retrieval. Well, at least Albanian foot-leke (with conversion table to US foot-dollars and foot-euros, based on current market value) are fun. I am not sure if, say, Google can be as half as hilarious.</p>
<p>My understanding is that they haven&#8217;t yet really come up with a full language. What we see is a very basic &#8220;expression evaluation&#8221; to debug aforementioned data retrieval capabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Evgeny</title>
		<link>http://bit-player.org/2009/the-oracle-of-wolfram#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>Evgeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great things take time to mature, W&#124;A is just too new to be as intuitive as you wish it to be. My guess is that it will take some time, maybe a couple of years even, when the "access" part of W&#124;A will as easy as Google. I am sure Wolfram wished it would be this way from day one, and you wish it as well, but unfortunately things just don't work this way - it takes time for an interface to become good. (Also, non-excluded it may become worse, or just not-good-enough anymore and die, see AltaVista example)

PS: Just for fun, you may ask W&#124;A to "Make me a child".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great things take time to mature, W|A is just too new to be as intuitive as you wish it to be. My guess is that it will take some time, maybe a couple of years even, when the &#8220;access&#8221; part of W|A will as easy as Google. I am sure Wolfram wished it would be this way from day one, and you wish it as well, but unfortunately things just don&#8217;t work this way - it takes time for an interface to become good. (Also, non-excluded it may become worse, or just not-good-enough anymore and die, see AltaVista example)</p>
<p>PS: Just for fun, you may ask W|A to &#8220;Make me a child&#8221;.</p>
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